Airlines requiring Real-ID or Passport. Not accepting drivers license.

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Rhodolite

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It's really messed up because a lot of states don't have Real ID. Seems like a stupid push to have other states follow it. I was really really irritated when I moved to the Midwest that they set me up on it when I never had to deal with it in WA.
 
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allenrexler

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People don't like real ideas because they feel you should not have to show identification if you are not driving in America (driving is a privilege not a right). It seems patently authoritarian to have to do so. Not to mention concerns over GPS trackers embedded in those things...
 
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Kittyworker

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I personally feel like there should be a federal personal identification card that is issued to everyone. States issue drivers Licenses but depending on the state it can be very easy to fake one. I think a nice secure federal ID card would go a long way to helping slow identity theft and fake IDs.
 
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Rhodolite

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I would have to disagree. You're giving up your rights by allowing them that much power over your life. By being part of the Real ID program the government can track you everywhere and all of your information is now in a federal database for easy access. Honestly Social Security is already on a federal level. Even so, people still forge fake IDs and licenses all the time. Forcing people to show more and more ridiculous requirements in order to renew a freaking license isn't going to prevent people from being able to scan/photoshop and create fake laminated ID cards.

No, instead the harsher and harsher restrictions and showing of papers makes it incredibly difficult for citizens who have to constantly move or are poor to be able to function in society as is. I know because I've been there. My lifestyle is extremely mobile due to changing circumstances and it's a lot of unnecessary red tape I have to go through in order for them to change my license. The push for Homeland Security and the Real ID Act does nothing to prevent issues to the country's safety nor is it productive to the average citizen. Every time I renew my ID in the Midwest I have to show my social security card, birth certificate, passport/student ID, bank account information, 2 pieces of mail with current address in the last 60 days or longer just to prove that I am who I am. That's incredibly difficult when I'm moving between every 3 months to every 2 years. You know what the most hilarious irony of that is? There's still going to be people who will create fake documentation like that and still get by.

It does nothing for criminals. It punishes legit citizens like myself instead.
 
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Kirom

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Rhodolite said:
I would have to disagree. You're giving up your rights by allowing them that much power over your life. By being part of the Real ID program the government can track you everywhere and all of your information is now in a federal database for easy access. Honestly Social Security is already on a federal level. Even so, people still forge fake IDs and licenses all the time. Forcing people to show more and more ridiculous requirements in order to renew a freaking license isn't going to prevent people from being able to scan/photoshop and create fake laminated ID cards.

No, instead the harsher and harsher restrictions and showing of papers makes it incredibly difficult for citizens who have to constantly move or are poor to be able to function in society as is. I know because I've been there. My lifestyle is extremely mobile due to changing circumstances and it's a lot of unnecessary red tape I have to go through in order for them to change my license. The push for Homeland Security and the Real ID Act does nothing to prevent issues to the country's safety nor is it productive to the average citizen. Every time I renew my ID in the Midwest I have to show my social security card, birth certificate, passport/student ID, bank account information, 2 pieces of mail with current address in the last 60 days or longer just to prove that I am who I am. That's incredibly difficult when I'm moving between every 3 months to every 2 years. You know what the most hilarious irony of that is? There's still going to be people who will create fake documentation like that and still get by.

It does nothing for criminals. It punishes legit citizens like myself instead.
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1) They already can track you everywhere. They just need your cell phone number and to invoke their special agreement with the telecom service providers. All this was revealed during the NSA scandal. I don't think much has changed yet.
2) I'm assuming the new IDs will be much harder to fake than driver licenses because they are more standardized and will implement better anti-counterfeiting technology. It's really not that hard to prevent counterfeits. There are special chips and imprints you can put on ID cards which no one but the most committed will be able to replicate.
3) You won't really have to renew your ID that often. Of course part of the problem lies in the clunky civil infrastructure, and that needs to be fixed more than anything else. But I think you're overstating the problem
 
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Rhodolite

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1.) Smart phones can track you much easier cause Wifi, ect. Also if you control where you disseminate your information, you can be harder to track. Since I'm not on a new smartphone and have had the same phone since 01' that's on a prepaid plan that can be dropped at any moment, good luck tracking me that way.

2.) Where there's a will there's a way to fake them. It's always happened, always will happen. Even the new bills get counterfeited the minute they leave the mint. My family's been in banking for generations so I've seen all sorts of counterfeit bills come in all the time over the years.

3.) You are required to report changes whenever you move because in the actual renewal process for your driver's license it becomes a full time bitch to deal with. Been there, done it personally. I move every 3 months to every 2 years so I know the hassles behind going to the DMV/BMV. Having lived in a non RealID state and a RealID state- it's a pain in the rear to prove identity for an address change in a RealID state.
 
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