Is a higher power actually real?

#1
This sure is a controversial one. :D

So yeah. Who here believes in God?

If so, how would you describe the God you believe in?

If not, do you still consider yourself a spiritual person?
 
#2
I believe, but only because I went through a personal experience that forced my eyes open. I don;t force my views on others, I do not feel that is my purpose.

I firmly believe that my God is jealous, and allows good and evil into this world to allow us all a choice in life.

You're right this is very controversial. I just hope no one tries to put down anyone over their honesty/personal beliefs. I had this happen not to long ago in a different forum.
 
#3
I firmly believe that my God is jealous, and allows good and evil into this world to allow us all a choice in life.
What do bad things have to do with choice exactly? I mean like for the jews in the holocaust or children who are dying of starvation at the age of 2 and 3 in Africa right now.

You're right this is very controversial. I just hope no one tries to put down anyone over their honesty/personal beliefs. I had this happen not to long ago in a different forum.
Putting other's down and belittling them because of their beliefs is of course a bad thing to do.

A a bit of debate is always healthy for all of us though. It helps us think and opens our eyes to other view points and ways of looking at life. :)
 
#4
@KenBruce that is a different form of "bad," than what I was referring to. I meant, like once you have the opportunity to know God (because apparently not everyone has this privilege, and it sounds stupid even when I say it) and one simply chooses to do "bad" things to others, even though they know it is bad.

I do claim Nazareth as my religion, but I have a lot of doubt myself in what is written in the Bible. It is also very ignorant from me but I will say it: I don't believe in Church and I don't believe in ONE Religion. I feel that there is a higher power and we refer to this higher power as "God."

In all reality, everyone was making Jesus out to be a mental freak, which is what he was nailed to the cross for--in my personal opinion, our "sins" to judge one another so critically. However, it wasn't until that long ago that I started believing. I was raised in Church, but I turned my head because of so much cruelty in the world such as you mentioned, children starving, the holocaust, and even now with ISIS. Due to my personal experience however, I believe. I believe daily we all fight Demons as well.

What I meant when I said without bad there would be no good is, why would people need to look/pray/hope for a higher power if there was no fear in their life what so ever? I am in no way justifying the wrong in this world, truly if I had the power to end all suffering I would--but there is only so much I can do with my limited time here on Earth and I am doing my best to make the most of it. I don't have all of the answers and I never will pretend to, but if I were to be asked if I believe in Christ, my answer is yes.

What other's choose to do is between them and their personal experiences. I don't pass judgment onto others over religion--it is simply uncalled for.
 
#5
I don't believe in Church and I don't believe in ONE Religion. I feel that there is a higher power and we refer to this higher power as "God."
I think this is the most logical perspective on God. If there is one then it wouldn't be one of the Gods of the major religions. It wouldn't be an old man in the sky or an ancient SOB that tells people to murder infidels, kill men women & children, etc.

What I meant when I said without bad there would be no good is, why would people need to look/pray/hope for a higher power if there was no fear in their life what so ever?
Well you don't have to have horrible things happening in your life to have a good relationship with your friends do you? The horrible things in this world show to many people that there isn't an all-loving, all-powerful god because if there was he/she/it would stop these things from happening. I fail to see how tragedy brings people closer to god. In most cases it does the opposite. If all the evil was gone from the world I would be more inclined to believe in a god.
 
#6
Yes. A higher power is real. The big bang had to start from something. It just didn't "HAPPEN" just because - it would be ignorant to say "Well it just happened."

If not, space would still be floating around devoid of anything. Just like it started, it will end. In between that, we will drift apart until we all die (scientifically proven, when energy runs out we'll just all die off). When you think of it like that, it's not a wonder some people slap "Allah" or "God" or "Jesus" on terminology to get people to fall in line. I just think Humans (as we're the only race who does this, currently we know of) looks for reasons as to WHY we were born and a higher entity to pin things on. I just think we are born, exist, live, and die.

And to this end we make "God" and similar stories, so we can pass on that we just didn't evolve from monkeys and those monkeys didn't evolve from slime that crawled out of the ocean because God is more pleasing to see and talk about, and not a primordial soup. Also, it helps to keep people in line, and people are gullible so they tend to believe anything thrust at their face. And to be honest, people really don't care if it was divine creation or evolution. The fact is we're here, we're living now, and the only people debating how we got here are scientists while the world ticks on. Maybe down the road we'll find one of these scientists proved something, but until then it's merely belief.

But I believe there was a being. "IT" didn't create humans. "IT" formed all the chaos into order that was the big bang (and Earth and all species just happened to be in "IT'S" pathway), assembling a quadrillion (obviously exaggerated, or maybe too low? who knows.. nobody truly does) galaxies and solar systems. It made ours no different then any other system in the milky way galaxy. Then it continued on to keep ordering the chaos, much like a computer AI program that we humans created. I believe "IT" to be more of a system than a being.

So there's a very high likelihood that "IT" never ceased to exist and it's somewhere hundred of billions of lightyears away ordering more chaos. Plus, how conceited can we be to think that we would have our "OWN" God who made us, when obviously there's so many other chances for life out in the universe. There's no telling how many Earth-Like planets could sustain life. It has to be INNUMERABLE. We can only see a small fraction of the whole. I wouldn't be shocked to learn other galaxies and their respective solar systems had full fledged spaceflight enabled races, and they don't even have to be human in nature. They could be like the Alien/Predator from the similar titled movies, or a carbon based lifeform like the Aliens in Independence day with Will Smith. People argue the space is vast and we're just a blink of an eye "Humankind" that is, that no other species could live in the same window or timeframe as us. But with as literally as much is as out there, you're a plain idiot if you don't think there's some other type of life. Conceited, and a moron.
 
#7
I think this is the most logical perspective on God. If there is one then it wouldn't be one of the Gods of the major religions. It wouldn't be an old man in the sky or an ancient SOB that tells people to murder infidels, kill men women & children, etc.

Well you don't have to have horrible things happening in your life to have a good relationship with your friends do you? The horrible things in this world show to many people that there isn't an all-loving, all-powerful god because if there was he/she/it would stop these things from happening. I fail to see how tragedy brings people closer to god. In most cases it does the opposite. If all the evil was gone from the world I would be more inclined to believe in a god.
I don't have to have good relationships with my friends to make it through this life, they don't make my life for me, nor do they live it for me. Besides, that's not what I meant at all. If there was no such thing as bad, how would we be able to tell what is good? Why would anyone have a reason to push forward and discover, learn, and help one another? Nothing would develop at human hands if there wasn't something to contradict the thought that what we have already is enough. Would people interact at all if there was no level of common discomfort? Probably so, but wouldn't all of that constant happiness eventually start to question some? Besides, what one considers bad is not bad in another's eyes. I feel that we all have one guarantee to this physical life, and that is certain death.

I agree with Shimus, there is a higher power. I refer to this higher power as God, and that is my choice. Like I said, I had a very personal experience from a few years ago that brought this change of thought into my life. I also do not believe we are alone in this universe, and I also believe we live life over and over again. My views/opinions are very well flawed and I am okay with this because I am young and still learning. I don't personally believe any human on Earth could possibly have all of the right answers. All I can do is live my life honestly and to the best of my ability.
 
#8
If there was no such thing as bad, how would we be able to tell what is good? Why would anyone have a reason to push forward and discover, learn, and help one another? Nothing would develop at human hands if there wasn't something to contradict the thought that what we have already is enough. Would people interact at all if there was no level of common discomfort? Probably so, but wouldn't all of that constant happiness eventually start to question some? Besides, what one considers bad is not bad in another's eyes. I feel that we all have one guarantee to this physical life, and that is certain death.
Well I see your point and I very much agree with you. It is the adversity and trouble in life that allows us to appreciate the good times. If everything was pure bliss then we would become very depressed very quickly. There is a balance between hardship and joy that we need for a happy life.

However I'm not so much talking about hardships like loosing a job or breaking your expensive phone. I'm talking about this...



That's not the kind of healthy adversity that we were talking about. That kid is probably just going to die. No all-powerful and all-loving god would let something like that happen.

There is also the holocaust. There are people that are beat to death and mutilated. There are horrible camps for war prisoners where they drive splinters up their finger nails and slowly roast their skin with a hot iron for political information.

Why would God allow things like this?
 
#9
is nothing to disprove the idea of a higher power may be our definition are what we can see is a higher power are what we feel would be considered a higher power is just too small and not necessarily broad enough because of our limits as a species. I think we have to evolve and by evil I don't mean increased technology I mean evolve evolution isn't over for our species.
 
#10
KenBrace, I hate seeing such truthful pictures. It bothers me so much, and you have no idea how. All I know is that I don't have all of the answers. It is real, and it does happen. But there are days that I have to wonder if Government (or who is working behind Government) is allowing it to happen--like controlled chaos. You really have me thinking, but it's not going to change my beliefs. Sorry, I wish I had more to say but I don't. You do prove a valid point.
 
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#11
All I know is that I don't have all of the answers.
Nor does anyone on this world. However we should always do our best so that our world view fits all the evidence as neatly as possible. We should never just ignore something or brush it aside because it doesn't fit our view.

But there are days that I have to wonder if Government (or who is working behind Government) is allowing it to happen--like controlled chaos.
I don't doubt this. But it's also why I don't think there is a monotheistic god. If there was then he/she/it should be able to control those governments to make sure that no one is starving to death as seen in the picture above.
 
#12
Trust me, I don't ignore. But I can't ignore what I have also experienced at the same time. I still have a lot to learn (often it makes me depressed, which is something I can't let my son see right now) and much on my own plate--as do many struggling families. I don't understand why we have been so industrialized and such here and in other parts of the world, but not all. I don't understand a lot of things, but I just don't feel that donating money with no proof of where it is going is any kind of answer. I don't ignore, I just can't figure out away to effectively help what is currently out of my control :(